Casting Red Velvet’s Joy As The Lead In MBC’s “The Great Seducer” Was A Disastrous Mistake

2018-04-11T21:53:27+00:00April 10th, 2018|Categories: Kdramas Recap|Tags: , , , , |

MBC’s “The Great Seducer” has been in headlines ever since it began airing for a variety of reasons.

Ahead of its premiere, it gained attention for being rising star Woo Do Hwan first EVER leading role, it is also another Korean adaptation of the 18th century French novel “Les Liaisons dangereuses” by Pierre Choderlos de Laclos.

After it aired, it gained attention for other reasons, one of them was Red Velvet’s Joy acting capabilities. Some hated it and some liked it, some continue to watch the drama because of her; others opted out because of her (among other reasons).

If you follow my blog you already know how I feel about Red Velvet’s Joy acting abilities. When I wrote about the news of her casting, I was immediately disheartened and sad; I already knew it was going to suck (her acting)! #sorrynotsorry

I have watched the first two episodes of “The Liar and his Lover,” back then I was so vocal about Joy’s performance and the casting choice, I was very annoyed and taken back, why you ask? Because I am a kdrama fan, that’s why.

As a kdrama fan, I am always annoyed when directors cast inexperienced hot popular good looking idols in leading roles; Joy was one of the worst cases I have seen in recent years.

The young woman doesn’t even have any experience prior to “The Liar and his Lover,” I googled everywhere to find whether she had been in anything prior to that, I didn’t find any. Not even a web drama, NOT EVEN A WEB DRAMA.

I like Woo Do Hwan, Moon Ga Young and Kim Min Jae, they’re all very young talented actors who have been slowly but steadily climbing the success ladder, they’re all very skilled despite their young age.

This is why Joy doesn’t fit, Joy isn’t on the same level, it will take her a while before she gets there.

You’ve probably heard the news already if you’re reading this article; the fact that MBC’s “The Great Seducer” is the lowest rated drama in MBC’s history and the second lowest rated drama among all major broadcasting stations (excluding paid broadcasting stations such as tvN or OCN).

This is a fucking disaster (sorry for my French!). I was so angry and sad, I felt so sad for everyone involved in this production including Joy. By no means I will put all the blame on a 22 year old rookie actress, because that’s just wrong, but this doesn’t mean that Joy is not one of the reasons this drama ratings suck, she is not all of it, but a part of it.

The topic of why this drama has low ratings will be discussed in a different article, I plan on writing it within the next couple of days (keep an eye on the blog), for now lets discuss Joy’s acting.

A newbie

Joy is very very inexperienced, this is not a diss but the truth, I think we can all agree on that.

This is because she hasn’t been in many acting projects, and has only started back in 2017; she has no theatre experience, no web drama experience, basically nothing under her belt but her aspiration to become an actress (I believe).

This is a huge problem, because unless you’re talented as fuck there is no way you can match Woo Do Hwan, Moon Ga Young and Kim Min Jae’s performances. The main problem isn’t that she is terribly bad but that she is not on the same level not even close, she is far far away.

Comparisons between her and Moon Ga Young were bound to happen. Among the four main leads, Moon Ga Young is the one with the most experience, she is only 22 years old but has been acting since 2006, she was a child actress who slowly but steadily proven herself to be worthy.

She went from playing the young sweet version of the female lead to the rebellious teenager and then to the capable fierce young woman she is right now, I have seen her grow before my eyes and she shines so beautifully.

Joy is a performer, a singer in a Kpop group. She has on-screen presence and knows how to perform but that doesn’t mean it will necessary translate into good acting in kdramas. Both are very very different things.

I explained why I was so upset with the casting choice back then, people bashed me and told me to see and judge for myself. Being someone (and I say that humbly) who watches kdramas too much, my opinion didn’t change and those people made me laugh.

Joy won’t suddenly know how to act in the short span of 6-9 months, it won’t happen, it takes time and patience and you need to learn, it also pays if you’re talented.

Who’s fault is this?

Joy should have never led this drama; I don’t know what were the directors thinking of, were they high? Drunk? Or even worse, blinded by SM Entertainment power? I don’t know how stupid you must be to choose Joy to lead your drama, you must be very stupid.

I am not gonna sit here behind my desk and blast Joy for choosing to lead this drama, because she is a part of SM Entertainment if you know what I mean.

This means that I know well that it might not have even been entirely her choice (I am speculating not stating the facts, please be ware).

SM controls their artists every movement, Red Velvet are still relatively young and only now leaving their foot print on Kpop music scene, SM is very careful with the way they present the ladies and market them. This is why this could have been SM’s suggestion or worse, the casting directors suggestion.

Joy might have not had a lot to say about this, its not like any SM artist can easily put their feet down and refuse something SM asks for, we all know that, especially not a newbie.

This is why I am going to blame whoever cast her, I don’t know who you are, but you’re insensitive, or worse, actually thought she could act, it hurts my brain thinking about your mistake.

How could you cast Joy? What were you thinking? How could you agree? How could anyone with any sense have agreed to this? Who made this decision?

I am an aspiring writer but I’d rather never make my debut than have Joy act in it, or for that matter of fact any newbie inexperienced idol act in it, why? Because I have respect for myself and for everyone that will be involved in this production, if you’re going work hard make sure you have the right team with you, so you don’t waste your and their time.

Let’s not waste each other’s time, how about that?

I feel so sorry for everyone involved in this production because Joy is leading the damn drama, the lead female cannot act and is not up to par with everyone around her.

While senior experienced actors give their all, there is Joy, who still can’t stop making this fucking face. What are you doing? Are you sad? Mad? Conflicted? Annoyed?

I don’t know, I don’t know!

Joy has many problems with her acting, one of it is her winking, excessive winking which she actually toned down for this drama and her facial expressions, they’re lacking, too lacking. I don’t understand what she means by them.

I never felt like she was the character she was supposed to be playing, like an out of body experience or something, it’s like here is Joy is in a place and her character she is some place else, far far away.

This is the best I can describe her acting. That I don’t relate to her, I don’t sympathize with her, I feel so detached and don’t understand what she means by some of her facial expressions.

When she is in the same frame as Moon Ga Young its even more obvious how much she’s lacking. Its like everybody knows what they’re doing except for her, I feel so bad for her. What are you doing SM?

Why would you put her in this production? such a heavy topic which she clearly isn’t cut out for, among very very experienced actors who only make her look more lacking, except for actress Jeong Ha Dam, her acting is soooo bad, she is actually the only actress on the show that make Joy’s acting look good.

Jeong Ha Dam deserves a segment of her own, I was so shocked when I saw how bad she was, worse than Joy, I don’t even know why isn’t anyone talking about how bad she is!!

Let’s get back to Joy, we’ll leave Jeong Ha Dam alone for now!

I am all in for people who try and fail and keep trying, but not like that. I don’t mean to hate on Joy because I fucking love her, she has the sweetest voice and is so cute in real life, I saw her performances, she is so good.

I am not hating on her as a person but on the craft itself, I have no right to attack her as a person, but I think I can talk about her acting and her drama, since she is promoting a product for public consumption.

Where is the respect?

I feel that there needs to be respect, respect for those who try so damn hard to get a role but an idol from a popular agency and/or idol group gets it without even trying.

Woo Do Hwan, Moon Ga Young and Kim Min Jae worked so damn hard to nail those roles and it took them years before they landed first and second lead roles, years!

I don’t want to start a debate (or do I?) about Moon Ga Young and Joy but I would be so pissed if I were Moon Ga Young.

This is not about jealousy or low self-esteem or girls’ pillow fight but about justice within the system.

Moon Ga Young has been acting forever, and made her movie debut in 2006 and her first drama project was in 2007, she played so many backup minor roles for so long and slowly climbed her way up.

What right does Joy have to come and claim a first leading role when there is someone way more talented than her? Why does Moon Ga Young step back and take the second leading role?

Do you get me?

I don’t want to be bitter but if I were Moon Ga Young I would be so damn pissed. If Joy was doing a good job, we wouldn’t be having this discussion!

If she were talented I’d be happy she got the role because I am all about underdogs going places fast, not people with good connections going places fast!

Lets take those two actresses for example:

Kim Go Eun and Kim Tae Ri both led roles as their first acting project but no one complained, why you ask? Because they auditioned fair and square among hundreds other aspiring actors.

Kim Tae Ri was picked out of 1500 actress who auditioned for the legendary movie “The Handmaiden,” I watched it and I couldn’t believe it was her first acting project, I was so stunned, I thought my eyes played tricks on me when I saw she had no other credits to her name.

Prejudice among idol actors

Is there any prejudice against idol actors? Yes,

Is it justified? Yes! It sure is!

Why? Because of such projects like “The Great Seducer,” they made people so skeptic of idols acting.

Are there good idol actors? There sure are, some of my favorite actors happen to be idols.

Joy can become a great actress but not like that, not by pushing her to the front line so defendless to be brutally attacked by everyone including yours truly. (meeee)

She should have started from the rear end, not because she needs to be belittled and go through the same process like everybody else but because she needs to learn and absorb from all her sunbaes, who can help her become a great actress.

She has it in her but she is lacking, putting her like that in a leading role won’t necessary make her better.

After heavily roasting the cutie Joy I have a few closing remarks.


I still don’t believe that Joy is too terrible or that the drama is a flop because of her, its stupid of me to assume that, there are many reasons why “The Great Seducer” is getting such low ratings.

Its sad because with all honesty, I don’t think it deserves the 2%, its bad don’t get me wrong but 2% is too low.

Being a kdrama in the 1% ratings range is very very bad for everyone involved in the project. I feel so bad for all the actors who woke up today to Nielsen Korea releasing the ratings news, it must be so discouraging to wake up to such terrible news.

Thank you so much for reading my rant, excuse me if I swore here and there but its only because I am passionate about kdramas, I cannot just play it cool. When I see injustice, I call it out.

I know this article will get hate but that’s okay, to all those who enjoy Joy’s performance I am happy for you; at least you’re enjoying it, some of us were struggling and eventually quit because it was unbearable.

Now that I am done, I wanna hear your opinion. Do you agree or disagree? Lets discuss in the comment section below!


  1. Coffee Bean April 10, 2018 9:39 pm at 9:39 pm - Reply

    TBH i think she is doing a great job she has improved. My non kpop/kdrama friends are getting really into the Great Seducer and other Kdramas because they loved the drama and her.

    • Jazmine K April 10, 2018 9:51 pm at 9:51 pm - Reply

      I also think she has improved, but in my opinion, she still needs time to get better! I respect your opinion, I am glad to hear that your non kpop/kdrama friends like this drama, they have joined us now, there is no escape

  2. Chava April 10, 2018 10:22 pm at 10:22 pm - Reply

    Thanks. I respect your opinion. I have a lot of other dramas I’m watching and more on my list. Now I don’t have to waste time in this one. I will wait for Woo Do Hwan to appear again. I liked him in Maddogs.

    • Jazmine K April 11, 2018 9:47 am at 9:47 am - Reply

      Thank you for reading. I recommend you watch “my ahjussi”

  3. Stella Mor April 11, 2018 2:33 am at 2:33 am - Reply

    Hey, my name is Stella and I’m from Israel.
    I see a lot of Korean series and this is a series I follow and enjoy very much. The game of the actress is good and the rest of the players are also great! I became very attached to the series and waited every day for another chapter to come out. So maybe the ratings in Korea are weak but if it came up to me I believe that this means excellent!

    • Jazmine K April 11, 2018 9:50 am at 9:50 am - Reply

      Glad you’re enjoying the series

  4. Andieee April 11, 2018 5:13 am at 5:13 am - Reply

    I agree with you! I have nothing against Joy. I actually tried watching the drama bec of her. I was wondering what the fuss is all about regarding her acting. The thing I’m so annoyed about is why she kept making that blank face, like seriously?! She was being embarrassed in front of other people but you can’t still tell what kind of expression she is making. Also when she crossed paths with Shi-hyun she could have atleast be annoyed or something at him, he was a jerk to her but we still get nothing. Most of the time i just find her awkward in her role or how she is delivering her lines. You don’t feel the sincerity in her words. I actually like the role itself how she is able to confess her feelings and just say things as it is. Most of the time we don’t get heroines who expresses themselves like Tae hee does. I just hoped they picked someone who gave justice to the role.
    Also this is the first kdrama i really noticed Moon Ga young. I watched her before once she really does deliver, too bad it’s getting a bad rating. I hope she gets a lead role next. I think it’s about time.

    • Jazmine K April 11, 2018 11:26 am at 11:26 am - Reply

      Totally agree with you. People might think I have something against Joy but I actually like her as a problem is with her awkward facial expressions that you can’t understand. I plan on writing an article discussing the ratings and why it’s so bad I will talk about the plot then.

  5. Namu April 11, 2018 9:46 am at 9:46 am - Reply

    She is bound to get hate coz her 1st acting gig is immediately the female lead in Liar and then her next is lead again on public channel when she really hasn’t proven herself in terms of ratings and acting on the 1st try. I don’t know of its a coincidence that both her male lead are from KeyEast, which is now under SM.

    • Jazmine K April 11, 2018 10:00 am at 10:00 am - Reply

      I have to agree here. What you say is true, maybe me and others wouldn’t have been so upset if she proved herself. Your keyeast remark made me wonder… hmmm

  6. Firdaus April 12, 2018 7:05 am at 7:05 am - Reply

    The drama is just okay to me, its plotline is still intriguing but i do believe that it could’ve been better plotwise. In regards of Joy’s performance well i do agree with you. I can’t say that she’s terrible cuz i’ve seen some worst idol actors’ acting but truly lacking to lead a drama. Her facial expressions are so hard to read, kinda reminding me of Suzy’s acting skills but at least Joy has never opt for being overreacting but never really making her acting that alive. The character itself is messy and inconsistenly written but since it’s an adaption and i’ve never read the original novel so i won’t comment on this further. For Joy’s next project i do hope she’ll take on a supporting role instead and from there starts to develop her skills until she is ready to lead a drama again with better skills to boot. On Jeong Ha Dam’s acting, is it her acting’s the problem or her character’s the problem tbh? Her acting really does laughably bad but i wanna believe that it’s her character that need her to act that way cuz if it isn’t she could be like one of the worst actresses ever i’ve ever in k-dramas lol

  7. Elsha April 13, 2018 8:38 pm at 8:38 pm - Reply

    I am so agree with you haha
    Well said, miss..
    I quit watching this drama looong time ago bc i cant stand her acting and well some of the plotlines.
    Doesnt mean i hate her as a person also. I like her performance as idol but omo her acting is soo bad i cannot stand to watch it.
    I’m also sad for moon ga young. I wish she was the lead character but owells… hope she’ll get a better drama or movie project

    Thanks for writing this. Im so glad im not the only one.

  8. S92 April 13, 2018 11:19 pm at 11:19 pm - Reply

    Fun fact: Moon Ga Young actually from SM too and she also the one acted as second lead in liar and his lover along joy. Like you said, I believe she must be lowkey pissed off that joy get the lead role easily and acted poorly. Joy acting remind me suzy early acting. But I think joy is worst coz atleast at the end of dream high, suzy did improve and she is not that bad for her next drama and she even got own style of acting.

  9. jade April 16, 2018 5:51 am at 5:51 am - Reply

    i agree with you a 100%…
    i would be super embarrassed if i were in moon gayoung’s shoes and was put in a second lead role while this idol who has had practically zero acting experience was chosen as the lead. Even more sad bcos moon gayoung has way more chemistry with woo do hwan than joy.
    i loved all the supporting cast, which is why im so saddened that this drama flopped. tbh when the castings were out, i already foresaw that this drama would fail because of joy’s shit acting, but even when i tried to watch the first few episodes with an open mind, i found several other things wrong with the drama–> including the super boring plot, horrible editing, misuse of background music…

  10. Madelynn April 26, 2018 2:48 pm at 2:48 pm - Reply

    I agree with everything that you said. I quit watching this drama after the fifth episode because I can’t stand Joy’s acting. 🙁 I’m sorry I have nothig against her its just that I think It would have been better if Moon Ga Young ended up to be then lead. She’s so great in this drama I even thought she was the lead in the first few episodes. It’s just sad It could’ve been an amazing drama if only they’ve chosen the right female lead.

  11. Bobbie May 12, 2018 12:36 am at 12:36 am - Reply

    I hate Joy. She ruined everything. She can’t act. She’s like a dog whenever there’s a scene with Moon Ga Young, she’s knock out without a single second! I really hope that they focus more on Soo Ji and Si Hyun. It’s more fun to watch them than her. Maybe the marriage-before-our-parents plot is better than this. This story line only emphasize how untalented Joy in this series. I just really wish a new drama for Ga-Young cause she deserve it! Kudos to that girl!

    • juliana May 26, 2018 2:48 pm at 2:48 pm - Reply

      actually its not joy fault who ruined everything in the drama..
      The director or the one who cast her was the one ruining the drama.
      She is still a rookie in acting or idk
      She was trying her best to act

  12. Maryanne June 1, 2018 10:28 pm at 10:28 pm - Reply

    I am a UK indigenous citizen and I love KDramas, I also love your blogs, I don’t always agree with them, but they are your honest opinions and not hate filled, I appreciate that. I also prefer happy endings but that’s just me, I watched uncontrollably fond and had a few tears thinking it’s only a film, then the news came out that was I dead seriously ill, Keep up the good work.

    • Jazmine K June 1, 2018 11:13 pm at 11:13 pm - Reply

      thank you so much for reading, your comment motivates me to keep going. Thank you for noticing that I am not hating, I hope more people realize that~

  13. ika d June 3, 2018 6:42 am at 6:42 am - Reply


  14. joy outdid August 5, 2018 9:31 pm at 9:31 pm - Reply

    I think Joy did the role justice she was my only favorite character on the show. Joy probably got the lead role because it’s similar to her own personalty. They either saw her as the lead when they wrote it or casted her because she’s the best fit.

    The acting wasn’t bad if anything it was the plot. Everyone except Joy’s character were dicks and that can get annoying over time. It took forever for the lead roles to get together and they weren’t even together for two full episodes, someone had to screw it up. It disappointed me and not a lot of people are willing to wait that long, the last episode, for the main characters to get together.

    Also, it did poorly because it was poorly written. You can even tell by the numbers the show had people liked Joy it was the other characters they were annoying as hell. First off, for the two friends, the antagonists, to even get a happy ending after manipulating their friend like that didn’t make any sense. The whole with Joy’s mom and Dohwan’s dad was weird too and Gayoung’s character wanting to get married first with Dohwan’s character like wtf?? They constantly kept bringing focus on the parents when NO ONE CARED! The sub plots were so annoying and weird. I wouldn’t have given this show more than two seconds if it wasn’t for Joy and her chemistry with Dohwan.

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